tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post1684436773445375819..comments2024-03-17T12:42:36.234-07:00Comments on Caltrain HSR Compatibility Blog: Where Four Tracks Will Be NeededClemhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01374282217135682245noreply@blogger.comBlogger112125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-49951977939807506742012-01-01T17:34:10.660-08:002012-01-01T17:34:10.660-08:00Where would the overtakes in option 3 be located a...Where would the overtakes in option 3 be located at?Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01776036808709119895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-73745955645525801322011-08-15T19:13:39.473-07:002011-08-15T19:13:39.473-07:00Caelestor: Per your request, here's a (truly c...Caelestor: Per your request, here's a (truly crap quality, sorry) image of the 2000-02-06 Caltrain timetable: <a href="http://www.pobox.com/users/mly/Caltrain-Timetabling/20000206-Caltrain-Timetable.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.pobox.com/users/mly/Caltrain-Timetabling/20000206-Caltrain-Timetable.jpg</a>Richard Mlynarikhttp://www.pobox.com/users/mly/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-86760636249414830602011-08-11T02:33:44.833-07:002011-08-11T02:33:44.833-07:00Here's a variant on RM's S-Bahn Pacheco Ph...Here's a <a href="http://mly.users.sonic.net/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?width=750&height=500&period=60&start=7&direction=&title=Morning+Rush&t1t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t1h=30&t1s=0&t1n=31&t1c=FF0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=RWC+Local&t1=120.20.20..20.20.20.20..20.20..20.20.20.60.1...........&t2t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t2h=30&t2s=10.5&t2n=-5&t2c=0000FF&t2p=7&t2d=n&t2l=Tamien+Limited&t2=120.20.20.....20.....20...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..60.120&t3t=KISS-100MPH-4MW&t3h=30&t3s=25&t3n=20&t3c=0000FF&t3p=7&t3d=n&t3l=SJ+Express&t3=120.20.20.....20...20..20...60...20.20..20.20..20..120.&t4t=KISS-100MPH-4MW&t4h=30&t4s=27&t4n=10&t4c=0000FF&t4p=7&t4d=s&t4l=SJ+Express&t4=120.20.20.....20...20..20...60..20.20...20.20..20..120.&t5t=AGV-125MPH&t5h=30&t5s=24&t5n=4&t5c=000000&t5p=7&t5d=&t5l=Pacheco+HSR&t5=111.......90........90...........120.1&t6t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t6h=30&t6s=10.5&t6n=-5&t6c=0000FF&t6p=7&t6d=s&t6l=Tamien+Limited&t6=120.20.20.....20...20.....60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..60.120&t7t=NONE&t7h=30&t7s=5&t7n=10&t7c=000000&t7p=10&t7d=&t7l=&t7=&t8t=NONE&t8h=30&t8s=5&t8n=10&t8c=000000&t8p=10&t8d=&t8l=&t8=" rel="nofollow">variant</a> on RM's S-Bahn Pacheco Phase 1 schedule. I can't help but notice that this configuration allows the RWC locals to be extended to Fremont in the future.<br /><br />Major differences:<br />* 1-hour SJ-SF express, the successor to today's Baby Bullet service, great for PR purposes. Running at 100 mph allows for two more stops, San Mateo & California Avenue, to be served.<br /><br />* In addition to Hayward Park & Atherton, Broadway is permanently closed, as it's too close to Millbrae (6 tph, 4 of them express).<br /><br />* Minimal quad-tracking needed by placing the southern overtake between California Ave and Mountain View.<br /><br />* Also note that the reverse peak limited and express trains make different stops.<br /><br />I also made some other Phase 2 and Altamont schedules, I'll put them up later. Also, does anybody have a Caltrain schedule circa 2000-2001 that they could share? I'd really appreciate it.Caelestorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07729598292698829083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-69820446813345835742011-06-24T14:10:23.729-07:002011-06-24T14:10:23.729-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Baconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06487111497340132298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-33352601743889383162011-06-23T18:11:14.848-07:002011-06-23T18:11:14.848-07:00* Phase 1 peak, Los Banos HSRQuadruplicate Belmont...* <a href="http://mly.users.sonic.net/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?title=S-Bahn+S.Mateo+79%2BLos+Banos+125mph+Phase+1+peak&t1t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t1h=30&t1s=0&t1n=25&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=S-Bahn+S.Mateo&t1=120.20.20..40.20.20.20.20.20.20..20.20.20.120............&t2t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t2h=30&t2s=12&t2n=16&t2c=0000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=S.Clara+Limited-T&t2=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..30.120&t3t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t3h=30&t3s=-3&t3n=6&t3c=0000ff&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=S.Clara+Limited&t3=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..120.&t4t=AGV-125MPH&t4h=30&t4s=22&t4n=-1&t4c=00ee00&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Los+Banos+HS+SF&t4=120.......60........60...........120.1" rel="nofollow">Phase 1 peak, Los Banos HSR</a><br>Quadruplicate <b>Belmont—California Avenue</b>.<br>2tph San Mateo Local, 4tph Santa Clara Limited, 2tph SF HSR, 4tph SJ HSR.<br /><br />* <a href="http://mly.users.sonic.net/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?title=S-Bahn+S.Mateo+79%2BLos+Banos+125mph+Phase+2+peak&t1t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t1h=15&t1s=0&t1n=25&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=S-Bahn+S.Mateo&t1=120.20.20..40.20.20.20.20.20.20..20.20.20.120............&t2t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t2h=30&t2s=12&t2n=16&t2c=0000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=S.Clara+Limited-T&t2=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..30.120&t3t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t3h=30&t3s=-3&t3n=6&t3c=0000ff&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=S.Clara+Limited&t3=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..120.&t4t=AGV-125MPH&t4h=15&t4s=22&t4n=14&t4c=00ee00&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Los+Banos+HS+SF&t4=120.......60........60...........120.1" rel="nofollow">Phase 2 peak, Los Banos HSR</a><br>Quadruplicate <b>Bayshore—Burlingame</b>, Belmont—California Avenue, <b>Santa Clara—Tamien</b>.<br><b>4tph San Mateo Local</b>, 4tph Santa Clara Limited, <b>4tph SF HSR</b>, 4tph SJ HSR.<br /><br />* <a href="http://mly.users.sonic.net/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?title=S-Bahn+S.Mateo+79mph+Santa+Clara+Express+Los+Banos+HSR&t1t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t1h=15&t1s=0&t1n=25&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=S-Bahn+S.Mateo&t1=120.20.20..40.20.20.20.20.20.20..20.20.20.120............&t2t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t2h=30&t2s=12&t2n=16&t2c=8000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=S.Clara+Limited-T&t2=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..30.120&t3t=KISS-100MPH-4MW&t3h=30&t3s=-3&t3n=13&t3c=0000ff&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=Santa+Clara+Express&t3=120.60.20.....75.....75...60...60...20.20..20..120.&t4t=AGV-125MPH&t4h=15&t4s=22&t4n=14&t4c=00ee00&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Los+Banos+HS+SF&t4=120.......60........60...........120.1" rel="nofollow">Phase 2 peak, Los Banos HSR, Santa Clara Express</a><br>Quadruplicate Bayshore—Burlingame, <b>Belmont—Sunnyvale</b>, Santa Clara—Tamien.<br>4tph San Mateo Local, 2tph Santa Clara Limited + <b>2tph Santa Clara Express</b>, 4tph SF HSR, 4tph SJ HSR.Richard Mlynarikhttp://www.pobox.com/users/mly/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-34204423655214897752011-06-23T18:07:38.400-07:002011-06-23T18:07:38.400-07:00* Phase 2 peak, Altamont HSRQuadruplicate Bayshore...* <a href="http://mly.users.sonic.net/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?title=S-Bahn+S.Mateo+79mph+Phase+2+peak&t1t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t1h=15&t1s=0&t1n=25&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=S-Bahn+S.Mateo&t1=120.20.20..40.20.20.20.20.20.20..20.20.20.120............&t2t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t2h=30&t2s=12&t2n=16&t2c=0000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=S.Clara+Limited-T&t2=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..30.120&t3t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t3h=30&t3s=-3&t3n=6&t3c=0000ff&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=S.Clara+Limited&t3=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..120.&t4t=AGV-100MPH&t4h=15&t4s=21&t4n=19&t4c=00ee00&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Altamont+HS+SF&t4=120.......60........60.1...........&t5t=AGV-125MPH&t5h=15&t5s=-8&t5n=-2&t5c=00aa00&t5p=7&t5d=&t5l=Altamont+HS+SJ&t5=.........................1.120." rel="nofollow">Phase 2 peak, Altamont HSR</a><br>Quadruplicate <b>Bayshore—Broadway</b>, Belmont—Redwood City.<br><b>4tph San Mateo Local</b>, 4tph Santa Clara Limited, <b>4tph SF HSR</b>, 4tph SJ HSR.<br /><br />* <a href="http://mly.users.sonic.net/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?width=1000&height=1200&period=60&start=7&direction=&title=S-Bahn+S.Mateo+79mph+Santa+Clara+Express&t1t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t1h=15&t1s=0&t1n=25&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=S-Bahn+S.Mateo&t1=120.20.20..40.20.20.20.20.20.20..20.20.20.120............&t2t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t2h=30&t2s=12&t2n=16&t2c=8000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=S.Clara+Limited-T&t2=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..30.120&t3t=KISS-100MPH-4MW&t3h=30&t3s=-3&t3n=13&t3c=0000ff&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=Santa+Clara+Express&t3=120.60.20.....75.....75...60...60...20.20..20..120.&t4t=AGV-100MPH&t4h=15&t4s=21&t4n=19&t4c=00ee00&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Altamont+HS+SF&t4=120.......60........60.1...........&t5t=AGV-125MPH&t5h=15&t5s=-10&t5n=0&t5c=00aa00&t5p=7&t5d=&t5l=Altamont+HS+SJ&t5=.........................1.120." rel="nofollow">Phase 2 peak, Altamont HSR, SC Express</a><br>Quadruplicate Bayshore—Broadway, Belmont—Redwood City.<br>4tph San Mateo Local, 2tph Santa Clara Limited + <b>2tph Santa Clara Express</b>, 4tph SF HSR, 4tph SJ HSR.Richard Mlynarikhttp://www.pobox.com/users/mly/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-92034648177404500402011-06-23T18:06:43.795-07:002011-06-23T18:06:43.795-07:00Reality Check: the $16m is to be piled into a heap...Reality Check: the $16m is to be piled into a heap, doused in gasoline, and set aflame. Then several hundred million more will be added. CBOSS. Designed and implemented by America's Finest Transportation Engineering and Planning Professionals. I hope they all die in a fire.<br /><br /><br />Here are some "S-Bahn S.Mateo" phase alternatives out the wazoo: (Coded them up, might as well save them somewhere.)<br /><br />* <a href="http://mly.users.sonic.net/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?&title=S-Bahn+S.Mateo+79mph+no+SF+HSR&t1t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t1h=15&t1s=0&t1n=25&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=S-Bahn+S.Mateo&t1=120.20.20..40.20.20.20.20.20.20..20.20.20.120............&t2t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t2h=30&t2s=12&t2n=16&t2c=0000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=S.Clara+Limited-T&t2=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..30.120&t3t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t3h=30&t3s=-3&t3n=6&t3c=0000ff&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=S.Clara+Limited&t3=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..120.&t4t=AGV-125MPH&t4h=15&t4s=-8&t4n=-2&t4c=00aa00&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Altamont+HS+SJ&t4=.........................1.120." rel="nofollow">Phase 0 peak, no SF HSR</a><br>Quadruplicate <b>Belmont—Redwood City</b>.<br>2tph San Mateo Local, 2tph Santa Clara Limited. 0tph SF HSR, 4tph SJ HSR.<br /><br />* <a href="http://mly.users.sonic.net/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?title=S-Bahn+S.Mateo+79mph+off-peak&t1t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t1h=30&t1s=0&t1n=25&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=S-Bahn+S.Mateo&t1=120.20.20..40.20.20.20.20.20.20..20.20.20.120............&t2t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t2h=30&t2s=12&t2n=16&t2c=0000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=S.Clara+Limited-T&t2=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..30.120&t3t=NONE&t3h=30&t3s=-3&t3n=6&t3c=0000ff&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=S.Clara+Limited&t3=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..120.&t4t=AGV-100MPH&t4h=30&t4s=21&t4n=19&t4c=00ee00&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Altamont+HS+SF&t4=120.......60........60.1...........&t5t=AGV-125MPH&t5h=30&t5s=-8&t5n=-2&t5c=00aa00&t5p=7&t5d=&t5l=Altamont+HS+SJ&t5=.........................1.120." rel="nofollow">Phase 1/Phase 2 off-peak, Altamont HSR</a><br>Quadruplicate Belmont—Redwood City.<br>2tph San Mateo Local, 2tph Santa Clara Limited, <b>2tph SF HSR</b>, 4tph SJ HSR.<br /><br />* <a href="http://mly.users.sonic.net/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?title=S-Bahn+S.Mateo+79mph+Phase+1+peak&t1t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t1h=30&t1s=0&t1n=25&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=S-Bahn+S.Mateo&t1=120.20.20..40.20.20.20.20.20.20..20.20.20.120............&t2t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t2h=30&t2s=12&t2n=16&t2c=0000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=S.Clara+Limited-T&t2=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..30.120&t3t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t3h=30&t3s=-3&t3n=6&t3c=0000ff&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=S.Clara+Limited&t3=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..120.&t4t=AGV-100MPH&t4h=30&t4s=21&t4n=19&t4c=00ee00&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Altamont+HS+SF&t4=120.......60........60.1...........&t5t=AGV-125MPH&t5h=15&t5s=-8&t5n=-2&t5c=00aa00&t5p=7&t5d=&t5l=Altamont+HS+SJ&t5=.........................1.120." rel="nofollow">Phase 1 peak, Altamont HSR</a><br>Quadruplicate Belmont—Redwood City.<br>2tph San Mateo Local, <b>4tph Santa Clara Limited</b>, 2tph SF HSR, 4tph SJ HSR.Richard Mlynarikhttp://www.pobox.com/users/mly/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-41455040753594552652011-06-23T17:36:54.693-07:002011-06-23T17:36:54.693-07:00Caltrain says the $16m is for CBOSS design:
Federa...Caltrain says the $16m is for CBOSS design:<br /><a href="http://www.caltrain.com/Page920.aspx" rel="nofollow">Federal Grant Moves Modernization of Caltrain Corridor Forward</a>Reality Checknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-74365628969797378792011-06-23T14:45:31.525-07:002011-06-23T14:45:31.525-07:00DOT grant for PTC to aid Caltrain, HSR
So what'...<a href="http://www.railwayage.com/breaking-news/dot-grant-for-ptc-to-aid-caltrain-hsr-3260.html" rel="nofollow">DOT grant for PTC to aid Caltrain, HSR</a><br />So what's this $16m all about again?Reality Checknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-9528921223523319502011-06-23T14:22:11.194-07:002011-06-23T14:22:11.194-07:00Thatbruce: added &start=17 parameter (with for...Thatbruce: added &start=17 parameter (with form input field) so that the display doesn't always start at 07:00 on the time axis, for historical obsolete service patterns without NB-SB symmetry. (The hours displayed are arbitrary anyway, internally it's all mod-3600 arithmetic.)Richard Mlynarikhttp://www.pobox.com/users/mly/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-65053477432185362202011-06-23T14:08:26.792-07:002011-06-23T14:08:26.792-07:00Alon: fixed, I hope. (Usual control-y error.)
So...Alon: fixed, I hope. (Usual control-y error.)<br /><br />So here's an out-of-competiion non-entry.<br /><br /><a href="http://mly.users.sonic.net/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?title=S-Bahn+S.Mateo+79mph+peak&t1t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t1h=15&t1s=0&t1n=25&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=S-Bahn+S.Mateo&t1=120.20.20..40.20.20.20.20.20.20..20.20.20.120............&t2t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t2h=30&t2s=12&t2n=16&t2c=0000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=Santa+Clara+Express-T&t2=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..30.120&t3t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t3h=30&t3s=-3&t3n=6&t3c=0000ff&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=Santa+Clara+Express&t3=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..120.&t4t=AGV-100MPH&t4h=15&t4s=21&t4n=19&t4c=00ee00&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Altamont+HS+SF&t4=120.......60........60.1...........&t5t=AGV-125MPH&t5h=15&t5s=-8&t5n=-2&t5c=00aa00&t5p=7&t5d=&t5l=Altamont+HS+SJ&t5=.........................1.120.&period=90&width=1200" rel="nofollow">S-Bahn S.Mateo (full build-out)</a><br /><br />* <b>The basic service is limited stops SF-Redwood City, thence all to San Jose</b>.<br />* To fill the gaps, an <b>all-stops local shuttles Redwood City-SF</b>, timed for cross-platform transfer at a four-track, two-island Redwood City hub.<br /><br />Very minimal infrastructure; quite nice service; <i>not too much service</i>.<br /><br />The driving observation is that station spacing in Santa Clara County (San Jose to Palo Alto) is wider than to the north, so comparatively less time is gained by eliminating stops. Moreover, the distinction between major and minor stops is lesser. (Or used to be so. California Avenue, Sunnyvale and Santa Clara <a href="http://www.caltrain.com/Assets/Stats+and+Reports/Ridership/2002_Caltrain_Ridership_Counts.pdf" rel="nofollow">used to be heavily used</a> before Caltrain abandoned them at peaks several years ago.)<br /><br />* Off-peak: 2tph S-Bahn S.Mateo shuttle, 2tph Santa Clara Express. (I run out of blog comment length to include URLs: just play with the train headway parameters.)<br />* Peak: 2tph S-Bahn S.Mateo shuttle, 4tph Santa Clara Express. (Send 2tph could be SC-Express-Express with fewer stops RWC-SJ.)<br />* <i>Perhaps</i> off-off-peak: just operate all-stops 2tph local (ie S.Mateo times north SF-RWC, SC Express times RWC-SJ.)<br /><br />* 2tph Altamont HSR: works with 2tph S.Mateo + 4tph SCExpress with <i>no extra passing track</i>.<br /><br /><a href="http://mly.users.sonic.net/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?width=1200&height=1200&period=90&direction=&title=S-Bahn+S.Mateo+79mph+peak&t1t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t1h=30&t1s=0&t1n=25&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=S-Bahn+S.Mateo&t1=120.20.20..40.20.20.20.20.20.20..20.20.20.120............&t2t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t2h=30&t2s=12&t2n=16&t2c=0000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=Santa+Clara+Express-T&t2=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..30.120&t3t=KISS-79MPH-4MW&t3h=30&t3s=-3&t3n=6&t3c=0000ff&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=Santa+Clara+Express&t3=120.20.20.....30.....30...60..20.20.20.20.20.20.20.20..120.&t4t=AGV-100MPH&t4h=30&t4s=21&t4n=19&t4c=00ee00&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Altamont+HS+SF&t4=120.......60........60.1...........&t5t=AGV-125MPH&t5h=15&t5s=-8&t5n=-2&t5c=00aa00&t5p=7&t5d=&t5l=Altamont+HS+SJ&t5=.........................1.120." rel="nofollow">All this can be done (phase 1)</a> <i>just</i> with a four-track Redwood City station and quadrupling solely north of RWC through Belmont. Nice!<br /><br />* Add 4tph Altamont: requires Bayshore-Millbrae quadrupling (full build-out) for HSR/S.Mateo overtake. Also allows 4tph S.Mateo, for which demand is unlikely.<br /><br />Los Banos HSR additionally needs a Redwood City-Cal Ave overtake for 100+mph FL0 airline blast-throughs of PA-MP-A. Classy!Richard Mlynarikhttp://www.pobox.com/users/mly/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-49188128372036930572011-06-22T21:58:09.782-07:002011-06-22T21:58:09.782-07:00This is a good example of a daily exodus, but not ...<em>This is a good example of a daily exodus, but not of a reasonable commute</em><br /><br />Or unreasonable working hours in 2011. Well into the 80s asking employees to work overtime wasn't done much. If you worked 9-5 you worked 9-5. There were no laptops or cell phones. Only doctors and other very important people had beepers. For most people when you left work you left work.Adirondacker12800https://www.blogger.com/profile/17108712932656586797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-47394287362037289402011-06-22T21:25:31.570-07:002011-06-22T21:25:31.570-07:00Hi all, sorry I had comment moderation kick in too...Hi all, sorry I had comment moderation kick in too soon... now set to 90 days after post dateClemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01374282217135682245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-66402076253276614722011-06-16T16:00:11.128-07:002011-06-16T16:00:11.128-07:00Richard: ugh, another bug... in my latest-linked s...Richard: ugh, another bug... in my latest-linked schedule (<a href="http://www.sonic.net/~mly/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?width=800&height=800&period=60&direction=&title=Test+%2303&t1t=KISS-100MPH-6MW&t1h=15&t1s=3.5&t1n=14&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=Caltrain+Local&t1=20.30.20..30.40.20.30.20.20.20..120.20.20.30..20.30.20.20.30.20.20.30..30.30&t2t=KISS-100MPH-6MW&t2h=15&t2s=-0.25&t2n=0.25&t2c=0000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=Caltrain+Express&t2=30.30.30.....30.....60...30...30...30...30..30.&t3t=AGV-100MPH&t3h=15&t3s=8.5&t3n=0.5&t3c=30ff30&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=Altamont+HSR+to+SF&t3=120.......90........90.1...........&t4t=AGV-125MPH&t4h=15&t4s=10&t4n=8&t4c=30ff30&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Altamont+HSR+to+SJ&t4=.........................1.120.&t5t=KISS-100MPH-6MW&t5h=15&t5s=1&t5n=6&t5c=000000&t5p=7&t5d=&t5l=Dumbarton+Shuttle&t5=...............90.1...........&t6t=NONE&t6h=30&t6s=5&t6n=10&t6c=000000&t6p=10&t6d=&t6l=&t6=&t7t=NONE&t7h=30&t7s=5&t7n=10&t7c=000000&t7p=10&t7d=&t7l=&t7=" rel="nofollow">this</a>, again), the Redwood City-Burlingame trips are asymmetric. In one direction, passengers transfer at Hillsdale and the trip takes 13 minutes. In the other, they don't and it's 16. I'm pretty sure the connection time is the same at both ends, so what's the problem?Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-84150845258104824362011-06-16T06:57:37.830-07:002011-06-16T06:57:37.830-07:00Just returned after riding on the ICE from Paris t...Just returned after riding on the ICE from Paris to Frankfurt. High speed passenger rail, freight and local passenger trains operating effectively on only two tracks. Why would four be needed all the way up the peninsula?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14351623926140970647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-81330208591016844432011-06-15T16:20:36.336-07:002011-06-15T16:20:36.336-07:00(with links)
Trains in black departed SF between ...(with links)<br /><br />Trains in black departed SF between <a href="http://www.sonic.net/~mly/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?width=2000&height=1200&period=180&direction=&title=1957+SB+timetable+1600+to+1659&t1t=F40-79MPH&t1h=60&t1s=5&t1n=0&t1c=000000&t1p=10&t1d=s&t1l=120+%281605%29&t1=.120.....430..50.65.65..35..25.15.45.65.35.35..55.55..55..5.&t2t=F40-79MPH&t2h=60&t2s=20&t2n=10&t2c=000000&t2p=10&t2d=s&t2l=122+%281620%29&t2=.120...200.120.30.60.20.50.40.10.10.10.10.10.10.20.60.60..60.30..30..30.&t3t=F40-79MPH&t3h=60&t3s=40&t3n=10&t3c=000000&t3p=10&t3d=s&t3l=124+%281640%29&t3=.120...430.50.30....180..50...110....180...60....120.&t4t=F40-79MPH&t4h=60&t4s=52&t4n=10&t4c=000000&t4p=10&t4d=s&t4l=126+%281652%29&t4=.120.....300.60..30.....120..180..30...150...40..90.&t5t=F40-79MPH&t5h=60&t5s=57&t5n=10&t5c=000000&t5p=10&t5d=s&t5l=128+%281657%29&t5=.120....220..60.180..60...60....120....180.....120.&t6t=NONE&t6h=30&t6s=5&t6n=10&t6c=000000&t6p=10&t6d=&t6l=&t6=&t7t=NONE&t7h=30&t7s=5&t7n=10&t7c=000000&t7p=10&t7d=&t7l=&t7=" rel="nofollow">1600 and 1659</a>, and trains in red departed SF between <a href="http://www.sonic.net/~mly/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?width=2000&height=1200&period=180&direction=&title=1957+SB+timetable+1700+to+1759&t1t=F40-79MPH&t1h=60&t1s=14&t1n=10&t1c=ff0000&t1p=10&t1d=s&t1l=130+%281714%29&t1=.120..................580..120.60..60..120.&t2t=F40-79MPH&t2h=60&t2s=17&t2n=10&t2c=ff0000&t2p=10&t2d=s&t2l=132+%281717%29&t2=.120................460..........&t3t=F40-79MPH&t3h=30&t3s=20&t3n=10&t3c=ff0000&t3p=10&t3d=s&t3l=134+%281720%29&t3=.120...............460..120......360..120.&t4t=F40-79MPH&t4h=60&t4s=23&t4n=10&t4c=ff0000&t4p=10&t4d=s&t4l=136+%281723%29&t4=.120..............540....300.......120.&t5t=F40-79MPH&t5h=60&t5s=26&t5n=10&t5c=ff0000&t5p=10&t5d=s&t5l=138+%281726%29&t5=.120............420.60...180.60...120.60.....&t6t=F40-79MPH&t6h=60&t6s=19&t6n=10&t6c=ff0000&t6p=10&t6d=s&t6l=140+%281729%29&t6=.120........420...120...............&t7t=F40-79MPH&t7h=60&t7s=32&t7n=10&t7c=ff0000&t7p=10&t7d=s&t7l=142+%281732%29&t7=.120.......360..120.60................&t8t=F40-79MPH&t8h=60&t8s=35&t8n=10&t8c=ff0000&t8p=10&t8d=s&t8l=144+%281735%29&t8=.120....280.50.90........240.60...180..180.50..60..180.&t9t=F40-79MPH&t9h=60&t9s=45&t9n=10&t9c=ff0000&t9p=10&t9d=s&t9l=146+%281745%29&t9=.120......480.30.90.50..10.10.10.40.40.40.40.10..120.50..120..50.&t10t=NONE&t10h=30&t10s=5&t10n=10&t10c=000000&t10p=10&t10d=&t10l=&t10=&t11t=NONE&t11h=30&t11s=5&t11n=10&t11c=000000&t11p=10&t11d=&t11l=&t11=" rel="nofollow">1700 and 1759</a>.thatbrucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-14879799144711619192011-06-15T16:18:33.377-07:002011-06-15T16:18:33.377-07:00@Clem
After a few days (and some very boring meet...@Clem<br /><br />After a few days (and some very boring meetings), here is a graph of the <a href="http://www.sonic.net/~mly/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?width=2000&height=1200&period=180&direction=&title=1957+SB+timetable+1600+to+1759&t1t=F40-79MPH&t1h=60&t1s=5&t1n=0&t1c=000000&t1p=10&t1d=s&t1l=120+%281605%29&t1=.120.....430..50.65.65..35..25.15.45.65.35.35..55.55..55..5.&t2t=F40-79MPH&t2h=60&t2s=20&t2n=10&t2c=000000&t2p=10&t2d=s&t2l=122+%281620%29&t2=.120...200.120.30.60.20.50.40.10.10.10.10.10.10.20.60.60..60.30..30..30.&t3t=F40-79MPH&t3h=60&t3s=40&t3n=10&t3c=000000&t3p=10&t3d=s&t3l=124+%281640%29&t3=.120...430.50.30....180..50...110....180...60....120.&t4t=F40-79MPH&t4h=60&t4s=52&t4n=10&t4c=000000&t4p=10&t4d=s&t4l=126+%281652%29&t4=.120.....300.60..30.....120..180..30...150...40..90.&t5t=F40-79MPH&t5h=60&t5s=57&t5n=10&t5c=000000&t5p=10&t5d=s&t5l=128+%281657%29&t5=.120....220..60.180..60...60....120....180.....120.&t6t=F40-79MPH&t6h=60&t6s=14&t6n=10&t6c=ff0000&t6p=10&t6d=s&t6l=130+%281714%29&t6=.120..................580..120.60..60..120.&t7t=F40-79MPH&t7h=60&t7s=17&t7n=10&t7c=ff0000&t7p=10&t7d=s&t7l=132+%281717%29&t7=.120................460..........&t8t=F40-79MPH&t8h=30&t8s=20&t8n=10&t8c=ff0000&t8p=10&t8d=s&t8l=134+%281720%29&t8=.120...............460..120......360..120.&t9t=F40-79MPH&t9h=60&t9s=23&t9n=10&t9c=ff0000&t9p=10&t9d=s&t9l=136+%281723%29&t9=.120..............540....300.......120.&t10t=F40-79MPH&t10h=60&t10s=26&t10n=10&t10c=ff0000&t10p=10&t10d=s&t10l=138+%281726%29&t10=.120............420.60...180.60...120.60.....&t11t=F40-79MPH&t11h=60&t11s=19&t11n=10&t11c=ff0000&t11p=10&t11d=s&t11l=140+%281729%29&t11=.120........420...120...............&t12t=F40-79MPH&t12h=60&t12s=32&t12n=10&t12c=ff0000&t12p=10&t12d=s&t12l=142+%281732%29&t12=.120.......360..120.60................&t13t=F40-79MPH&t13h=60&t13s=35&t13n=10&t13c=ff0000&t13p=10&t13d=s&t13l=144+%281735%29&t13=.120....280.50.90........240.60...180..180.50..60..180.&t14t=F40-79MPH&t14h=60&t14s=45&t14n=10&t14c=ff0000&t14p=10&t14d=s&t14l=146+%281745%29&t14=.120......480.30.90.50..10.10.10.40.40.40.40.10..120.50..120..50.&t15t=NONE&t15h=30&t15s=5&t15n=10&t15c=000000&t15p=10&t15d=&t15l=&t15=&t16t=NONE&t16h=30&t16s=5&t16n=10&t16c=000000&t16p=10&t16d=&t16l=&t16=" rel="nofollow">1957 SB</a> between 1600 and 1759 .<br /><br />Trains in black departed SF between 1600 and 1659, and trains in red departed SF between 1700 and 1759 (see next post for these two individually).<br /><br />Some obvious caveats: This is a good example of a daily exodus, but not of a reasonable commute (eg, miss your regular evening train and you're stuck for a bit).<br /><br />The first graph combines them both. The second two graphs show them per hour, as long as you ignore the repeat (I couldn't figure out how to have a given train run once).<br /><br />Richard's fine form doesn't have performance characteristics for whichever older engines were used at the time, so there are some oddly long wait times to bring them back on schedule.<br /><br />On the other hand, some stop sequences have rather short timing in order to keep schedule.<br /><br />Stations have changed, in particular Lomita Park is no longer (would have been a good location for Caltrain/BART transfer if planners cared about the airport traveler), while 22nd St, Oakdale, San Antonio, Lawrence and College Park are new since 1957.thatbrucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-47985272168996002622011-06-13T14:37:36.067-07:002011-06-13T14:37:36.067-07:00I recall lots of suits (some with hats, even!) rid...I recall lots of suits (some with hats, even!) riding between Atherton and SF back in 1980. The parking lot was relatively full too, with lots of suits being dropped at the station too.Reality Checknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-33196799110173169692011-06-13T12:59:18.554-07:002011-06-13T12:59:18.554-07:00Clem:
If you want to knock the metricator for a l...Clem:<br /><br />If you want to knock the metricator for a loop, I have a copy of a timetable from August of '66.<br /><br />By which I mean I have a copy of a San Francisco & San Jose Railroad timetable dated August 1, <b>1866.</b><br /><br />Your challenge, then, would be to figure out where *two* tracks will be needed ...Kevin Hectemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-41711923352485226022011-06-11T20:20:50.167-07:002011-06-11T20:20:50.167-07:00@Andrew: couldn't agree more, it makes zero se...@Andrew: couldn't agree more, it makes zero sense to mix HSR and commuter rail for 50 miles. That much is obvious just by looking at the output of toy computer models.<br /><br />@thatbruce: Adirondacker12800 was kind enough to send me a copy of the <a href="http://www.tillier.net/stuff/caltrain/caltrain_1957.jpg" rel="nofollow">1957 timetable</a> for the peninsula commute. I will put it through the metricator at some point. You can clearly see that the corridor used to be strongly oriented towards San Francisco, e.g. with no fewer than 8 (eight!) trains leaving within a span of 40 minutes during the PM rush.<br /><br />Note Atherton had <a href="http://www.granvilleonline.ca/files/u413/GVO-NVI-Commutes-3-MadMenDraper.jpg" rel="nofollow">pretty good service</a> back then.Clemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01374282217135682245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-5500033707590150702011-06-11T17:30:39.333-07:002011-06-11T17:30:39.333-07:00Clem, Alon, et al:
I am not the Andrew who writes...Clem, Alon, et al:<br /><br />I am not the Andrew who writes on Second Ave. Sagas. I do have pretty progressive views, but I also have realisitic views informed by history and reality and work as a railway professional.<br /><br />I will simply say that a lot of halfbaked urban rail lines have been built in this country in the past 30 years which are too slow because of "economization" when it comes to trunk capacity, and there is a lot of yearning for costly and overly palatial terminals like those of yesteryear. You can see the fate of overly palatial terminals in any city in the US. And you can see the problems of reduced trunk capacity on almost any urban main line with passenger service.<br /><br />There is also a lot of engineering and operational wisdom that was developed in the period 1890-1940 that is now being thoroughly discounted because some people with little practical experience are regurgitating "answers" out of a computer with little consideration for the failure of humans (and trains) to follow computer outputs.<br /><br />What California is proposing is not something like what is in Europe, where HSR lines generally share 10-15 miles or less of the main line system out of a city, and it is not something like what is in Japan or Spain, where the main line system is a total different gauge. The joint Caltrain section is 50+ miles long to get out of San Jose (and another 50+ miles north out of Anaheim). It also seems like there is some desire to run trains down the existing line to San Diego as well as over the new line via Riverside and Escondido. The only thing that is really like it is the Northeast Corridor.<br /><br />Don't run away from it to embrace aerial castles.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-13555103963092300012011-06-11T03:54:08.282-07:002011-06-11T03:54:08.282-07:00OK. Alon doubled my salary, so I had no choice but...OK. Alon doubled my salary, so I had no choice but to give him shorter transfers.Richard Mlynarikhttp://www.pobox.com/users/mly/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-64937964863000216932011-06-10T21:39:05.359-07:002011-06-10T21:39:05.359-07:00Hi Alon, the issue you report is one I almost cert...Hi Alon, the issue you report is one I almost certainly won't address. It doesn't affect the final output (which is <i>end to end trip time</i>, regardless of moving vs stationary time); just the particular choice of <i>location</i> at which transfers are reported as having taken place between the trains. I use a bog-standard graph shortest path algorithm, where the "shortest" metric is simply end to end time, and any attempt to tweak it to use some other nice-transfer-favouring cost metric will just lead to many hours of wasted time (I hate computers!) for no real improvement.<br /><br />So just treat the generated trips-including-transfers tables as Too Much Information: informative perhaps, correct in a strictly technical sense, sometimes a little surprising (when exotic reverse-direction transfers or multiple transfers not obvious to casual human inspection are the shortest), but not anything one really need to worry one's pretty little head about too much.<br /><br />If you need better, you're always free to spring for a copy of opentrack.ch!Richard Mlynarikhttp://Mly@POBox.COMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-74076308492299791462011-06-10T17:00:31.722-07:002011-06-10T17:00:31.722-07:00There's a small bug you should fix: the system...There's a small bug you should fix: the system sometimes asks the user to make inconvenient transfers. For example, on my schedule, the trip from San Francisco to California Avenue is an express train to Palo Alto, with a five-minute transfer to a local. In reality, the transfer penalty models I know believe that people prefer to be on a moving train than on a platform, which means they'd transfer at Hillsdale at zero penalty.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419444332771213285.post-29310317716175001682011-06-10T16:55:40.583-07:002011-06-10T16:55:40.583-07:00Okay, with the 45-second rule, here is the revisio...Okay, with the 45-second rule, <a href="http://www.sonic.net/~mly/Caltrain-Timetabling/201105-takt/takt.php?width=800&height=800&period=60&direction=&title=Test+%2303&t1t=KISS-100MPH-6MW&t1h=15&t1s=3.5&t1n=14&t1c=ff0000&t1p=7&t1d=&t1l=Caltrain+Local&t1=20.30.20..30.40.20.30.20.20.20..120.20.20.30..20.30.20.20.30.20.20.30..30.30&t2t=KISS-100MPH-6MW&t2h=15&t2s=-0.25&t2n=0.25&t2c=0000ff&t2p=7&t2d=&t2l=Caltrain+Express&t2=30.30.30.....30.....60...30...30...30...30..30.&t3t=AGV-100MPH&t3h=15&t3s=8.5&t3n=0.5&t3c=30ff30&t3p=7&t3d=&t3l=Altamont+HSR+to+SF&t3=120.......90........90.1...........&t4t=AGV-125MPH&t4h=15&t4s=10&t4n=8&t4c=30ff30&t4p=7&t4d=&t4l=Altamont+HSR+to+SJ&t4=.........................1.120.&t5t=KISS-100MPH-6MW&t5h=15&t5s=1&t5n=6&t5c=000000&t5p=7&t5d=&t5l=Dumbarton+Shuttle&t5=...............90.1...........&t6t=NONE&t6h=30&t6s=5&t6n=10&t6c=000000&t6p=10&t6d=&t6l=&t6=&t7t=NONE&t7h=30&t7s=5&t7n=10&t7c=000000&t7p=10&t7d=&t7l=&t7=" rel="nofollow">here</a> is the revision to my serious schedule, using fractional minutes (thanks, Richard!).Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.com